{"id":664,"date":"2015-04-10T17:39:53","date_gmt":"2015-04-10T17:39:53","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/nogodbutallah.org\/?page_id=664"},"modified":"2015-04-10T17:39:53","modified_gmt":"2015-04-10T17:39:53","slug":"muslims-not-to-argue-with-christians-2","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/nogodbutallah.org\/?page_id=664","title":{"rendered":"MUSLIMS NOT TO ARGUE WITH CHRISTIANS"},"content":{"rendered":"

\n\tIn the name of All\u0101h,<\/span>\n<\/p>\n

\n\tthe Beneficent, the Merciful.<\/span>\n<\/p>\n

\n\tPeace and Blessings of All\u0101h on Mohammad<\/span>.\n<\/p>\n

\n\tDEDICATED TO<\/span>\n<\/p>\n

\n\tAll\u0101h–the Glorious and the High,<\/span>\n<\/p>\n

\n\tLord of the worlds<\/span>\n<\/p>\n

\n\tAND TO<\/span>\n<\/p>\n

\n\tMohammad–who brought the world<\/span>\n<\/p>\n

\n\tto our feet and eternity to our arms.<\/span>\n<\/p>\n

\n\t*\n<\/p>\n

\n\tMUSLIMS NOT TO ARGUE WITH CHRISTIANS<\/span><\/span>\n<\/p>\n

\n\tOne Christian quarter on the Internet<\/em> wrote: “Surah 5:68 – Say: "O People of the Book! ye have no ground to stand upon unless ye stand fast by the Law (Torah), the Gospel (Injeel), and all the revelation that has come to you from your Lord."
\n\tSurah 29:46 Muslims are told by Allah, not to question the authority of the scriptures of the Christians, saying, "And dispute ye not with the People of the Book, but say, "We believe in the revelation which has come down to us and in that which came down to you; Our Allah and your Allah is one;<\/span>\n<\/p>\n

\n\tIslam says that Jesus did not die. So, again –Islam has proven to be false; because Muhammad claimed the Gospel is true, and all 4 Gospels (Injil) testify that Jesus died and rose from the dead. God does have a begotten Son (not made, but one with the Father), which Islam denies.”<\/span>\n<\/p>\n

\n\t   Response: <\/span><\/em><\/span> Allah speaking about the Torah and Gospel and all other revelations refer to the original. Whereas All\u0101h enjoins belief in His REVEALED Books All\u0101h also tells us what not to believe in such as Trinity, sonship of God, inherited sin and vicarious atonement, karma and reincarnation, and more than one Creator (as in Zoroastrianism). \n<\/p>\n

\n\t   Regarding Qur’an 29:46 which the Christian quotes: "And dispute ye not with the People of the Book, but say, "We believe in the revelation which has come down to us and in that which came down to you; Our Allah and your Allah is one.” This does not mean that the Bible\/Gospels are “all” word of God or that Muslims are not to “argue” with Christians. The Christians (as they are notorious for doing) quotes only a part of this verse. The entire verse reads:\n<\/p>\n

\n\t“And argue not with the People of the Book EXCEPT BY WHAT IS BEST, <\/span>save such of them as act unjustly. But say: We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you, and our God and your God is One, and to Him we submit.”\n<\/p>\n

\n\tThe verse lays down two points:\n<\/p>\n

\n\t   (1) Argue with Jews and Christians from a point of reason as noted in Qur’an 16:125: “Call to the way of thy Lord with wisdom and goodly exhortation, and argue with them in the best manner. Surely thy Lord knows best him who strays from His path, and He knows best those who go aright.”\n<\/p>\n

\n\t   (2) Not to argue with Jews and Christians who are not given to reason, to such Jews and Christians Muslims are to say: “We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you, and our God and your God is One, and to Him we submit.” (From personal experience, Christians do not care about reason and truth, they are steeped in blind faith, looking for people to eat the body and drink the mythical blood of Jesus Christ –spiritual cannibalism<\/span>). \n<\/p>\n

\n\t  The Prophet Mohammad “argued with the Christians of Najran; and while the Christians were convinced that Jesus was\/is not God yet they persist in their false belief (see CHRISTIANS OF NAJRAN & PROPHET MOHAMMAD<\/span>). \n<\/p>\n

\n\t   Regarding the Christian’s assertion: “Islam says that Jesus did not die. So, again –Islam has proven to be false; because Muhammad claimed the Gospel is true, and all 4 Gospels (Injil) testify that Jesus died and rose from the dead. God does have a begotten Son (not made, but one with the Father), which Islam denies.”<\/span>\n<\/p>\n

\n\t   Response:<\/span><\/em> <\/span><\/span>Islam\/Mohammad claimed the ORIGINAL Gospel is true –the current Gospels are four books “according to” Matthew, Mark, Luke and John who were NOT eyewitnesses to the data they recorded (see BIBLE-CORRUPT & OBSOLETE<\/span>).\n<\/p>\n

\n\t   Islam is NOT “false.” Christians follow doctrines –Trinity, inherited sin and vicarious atonement– that have no Divine foundation, no prophetic foundation, no logical foundation, and are repugnant to reason, the factor which God requires us to govern by–(Isaiah 1:18; Qur’an 16:125).\n<\/p>\n

\n\t   It is Christianity that is “false.”  If any Christian can show in the Bible that God or Jesus says that God went into the belly of Mary and came out her vagina; that God says that He loads Adam’s sin onto all men (and even as babies in our mothers’ wombs) and that God said  that He sent Jesus to be killed for this “inherited sin” I will become a Christian –please do not mutilate your intelligence, if you have, by showing me John 3:16 (it is not about crucifixion; go and read from verse one in order to understand verse 16. And as no Christian can show in the Bible that God or Jesus says that God went into the belly of Mary and came out her vagina; that God says that He loads Adam’s sin onto all men (and even as babies in our mothers’ wombs) and that God said that He sent Jesus to be killed for this “inherited sin” then he (and all Christians) must become a Muslim.\n<\/p>\n

\n\t   Like Islam the Gospels show that Jesus was NOT <\/strong>killed.  Jesus himself said he was NOT<\/strong> killed. After the alleged crucifixion and resurrection Jesus had his disciples examine him to verify he was not<\/em> spirit, as the resurrected is, but was of flesh and bones: a mortal<\/em>–(Luke 24:38-39). The resurrected “are (spiritualized) <\/em>as the angels”–(Matt. 22:23-30. Luke 20:34-36). Jesus had flesh and bones: he was human <\/em>(see JESUS-INHERITED SIN TO ASCENSION<\/span>).\n<\/p>\n

\n\tOn the Christian’s claim, “God does have a begotten Son (not made, but one with the Father), which Islam denies.”<\/span>\n<\/p>\n

\n\t   Response:<\/span><\/em> <\/span><\/span>Apart from the fact that the Biblical God has a legion of sons and daughters. Jesus is NOT<\/strong> “begotten son of God” (made or otherwise). GOD DECREED Jesus is only to be “CALLED<\/strong>” son of God: “The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee (Mary)….the holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be CALLED<\/u><\/strong> the Son of God”–(Luke 1:35).\n<\/p>\n

\n\t   Son of God is only an epithet of honor: “the Lord came unto Nathan, saying, Go and tell my servant David….I will be his father, <\/em>and he shall be my son<\/em>”–(2 Samuel 7:4, 5, 14). Thus David also is “begotten son of God as related to him by Nathan: “I (David) will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, THOU ART MY SON; THIS DAY HAVE I BEGOTTEN THEE<\/strong>”–(Psalm 2:7).  If Jesus is “one with the Father;” then all the Jews that Jesus prayed for so they could be one with him and God are also “one” with God and are also even Gods–(John 17:9-21). (See JESUS & GOD ARE ONE<\/span>).\n<\/p>\n

\n\t The Christian also stated: “Like Muhammad, Satan also Cringes in fear at the sight of the cross. Read this true Exorcism here:<\/span>\n<\/p>\n

\n\t   Proverbs 30:4 (700 B.C.): "Who hath ascended up into heaven or descended? Who hath gathered the wind in His fists? Who hath bound the waters in a garment? Who hath established all the ends of the Earth? What is His name, and what is His son's name, if thou canst tell?"  (Psalm 2:11-12) Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.\n<\/p>\n

\n\t   Even after Allah confirmed the Torah and Gospel, Islamic Mullahs and Imams have tried to sell the lie that the Christian Gospels and Jewish Torah have been corrupted. This a complete lie! This lie is perpetuated by Islam, because of all the historic, scientific, and simple mathematical errors in the Koran\/Qur'an.”\n<\/p>\n

\n\t   <\/span>Response: <\/span><\/em><\/span>That “Like Muhammad, Satan also Cringes in fear at the sight of the cross.”  <\/span>Rather than “cringe” at the cross, Mohammad, through Divine Revelation of the Qur’an, obliterates the useless and unGodly cross. As for Satan, it was Satan who created the cross to lead Christians astray. There are Christians who are of the view that Trinity could only have come from the mind of Satan, and inherited sin and vicarious atonement came from the mind of Paul, a self-admitted liar and forger of gospel –(see JESUS-TRINITY; ALL\u0100H & JESUS OR PAUL<\/span>).\n<\/p>\n

\n\tThat “Proverbs 30:4 (700 B.C.): "Who hath ascended up into heaven or descended? Who hath gathered the wind in His fists? Who hath bound the waters in a garment? Who hath established all the ends of the Earth? What is His name, and what is His son's name, if thou canst tell?" <\/span> While Christians claim this statement is about Jesus they yet have to explain how they came to this conclusion.  It is rather strange that Proverbs would question who has ascended to heaven and what was his son’s name when the Bible\/God states Enoch and Elijah ascended to heaven–(Genesis 5:24; Hebrews 11:5; 2 Kings 2:1, 11; and these writings of Genesis and Kings preceded Proverbs by centuries) and that God has a legion of sons beginning from Adam. (For more on this see JESUS-FORETOLD<\/span>). Christians take statements of the Bible willy-nilly and wrap them around Jesus.\n<\/p>\n

\n\t   That “(Psalm 2:11-12) Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.” <\/span> While Jesus may be regarded as “son of God” in the figurative sense, God has a legion of sons and daughters; even atheists can be sons of God. (See JESUS-SON OF GOD<\/span>). However, Psalm 2:11-12 is NOT about Jesus. This is a Psalm about David. God had promised to consecrate David as His son: “the Lord came unto Nathan, saying, Go and tell my servant DAVID….I will be HIS FATHER, <\/em>and he shall be MY SON”–(2 Samuel 7:4, 5,14; Psalm 2:7).\n<\/p>\n

\n\tThat “Even after Allah confirmed the Torah and Gospel, Islamic Mullahs and Imams have tried to sell the lie that the Christian Gospels and Jewish Torah have been corrupted. This a complete lie! This lie is perpetuated by Islam, because of all the historic, scientific, and simple mathematical errors in the Koran\/Qur'an.”<\/span>  As already noted, the Gospel that All\u0101h confirmed is the Gospel He gave to Jesus; not the current Gospels which are four books written by Matthew, Mark, Luke and John who were “not eyewitnesses” to the data they recorded. (See BIBLE-CORRUPT & OBSOLETE; ALL\u0100H SAYS FOLLOW GOSPEL<\/span>).\n<\/p>\n

\n\t   The Bible itself testifies it is corrupted: “How can you say, ‘We are wise, and the law of the Lord is with us’? But behold, the lying pen of the scribes has made it into a lie”–(Jeremiah 8:8). <\/span>In fact, the Bible was not only tampered with it is redundant\/obsolete; and so is Jesus. (See BIBLE-CORRUPT & OBSOLETE; JESUS-REDUNDANT<\/span>).  Christians are following Paul who are taking them into Hell. (See ALL\u0100H & JESUS OR PAUL; CHRISTIANITY-A FAKE<\/span>).\n<\/p>\n

\n\t   Please detail “all the historic, scientific, and simple mathematical errors in the Koran\/Qur'an.”\n<\/p>\n

\n\t*\n<\/p>\n

\n\tOne Christian wrote (in an e-mail) that Mohammad “made up and established a false religion as late in history as the 6th century A.D. (rather recent in history).”\n<\/p>\n

\n\tResponse: <\/span><\/span> Hinduism, Buddhism, and Zoroastrianism precede Jesus Christ by centuries: by this Christian reasoning these religions by virtue of their antiquity “supersedes” Christianity; and Chrsitianity is a "false" religion (and it has been show that Christianity IS a false religion, see <\/span>CHRISTIANITY- A FAKE<\/span>)<\/span>\n<\/p>\n

\n\t   Whereas the Christian God came only as Jesus, the Hindu God came as Rama, Krishna, Buddha and many others and even as animals: by this Christian reasoning the Hindu God “supersedes their God? By this Christian reasoning they are to follow Hinduism.<\/span>\n<\/p>\n

\n\t   That Islam is a false religion because it was established only in sixth century AD is poor rationale. If Islam is a false religion because it was established 600<\/strong> years after Christ, then Christianity also is a false religion having come into existence 1,000 years<\/strong> after Moses. And in fact Jews not only regard Christianity as false they also regard Jesus as a fake and tried to kill him (and did kill him Christians believe. So the Jews killed the Christian’s God???).\n<\/p>\n

\n\t   However, it is not the age of a religion that substantiates its Divineness, it is its doctrines. All\u0101h God tells us in His Qur’an He raised up messengers among all people\/nations and gave them acts of worship and one common message that There is no God but He; he alone is to be worshipped <\/em>(refer Deuteronomy 6:4 and Mark 12:29).\n<\/p>\n

\n\t   The Qur’an contains the teachings of past Scriptures that are applicable to all time and contains teachings not met with in past Revelations. Thus, the Qur’an consists of, exceeds, and supersedes all other Revelations.\n<\/p>\n

\n\t   If Mohammad made up Islam then Mohammad made up the best religion in Scriptural history. (QUR'AN<\/span><\/a>; <\/span>QUR’AN-PROPHECIES<\/span><\/a>; <\/span>QUR’AN-SCIENCE<\/span><\/a>).<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

In the name of All\u0101h, the Beneficent, the Merciful. Peace and Blessings of All\u0101h on Mohammad. DEDICATED TO All\u0101h–the Glorious and the High, Lord of the worlds AND TO Mohammad–who brought the world to our feet and eternity to our arms. * MUSLIMS NOT TO ARGUE WITH CHRISTIANS One Christian quarter on the Internet wrote: […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"parent":0,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"open","template":"","meta":{"_monsterinsights_skip_tracking":false,"footnotes":""},"class_list":["post-664","page","type-page","status-publish","hentry"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/nogodbutallah.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages\/664","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/nogodbutallah.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/nogodbutallah.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/page"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/nogodbutallah.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/nogodbutallah.org\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=664"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/nogodbutallah.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages\/664\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/nogodbutallah.org\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=664"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}